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	<description>The fascinating world of EVE Online, explored and explained.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://jumponcontact.com/2010/02/closure/comment-page-1/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 04:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to thank you for this blog.  As someone who has never played Eve, I am really enjoying the look into the Eve universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to thank you for this blog.  As someone who has never played Eve, I am really enjoying the look into the Eve universe.</p>
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		<title>By: StevieTopSiders</title>
		<link>http://jumponcontact.com/2010/02/closure/comment-page-1/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>StevieTopSiders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 00:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good stuff, though!  I&#039;ve nominated you for the blog pack that CK is revamping.  The quality of stuff is great, all you need to do is keep up the posting consistency, which you&#039;ve been doing wonderfully!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good stuff, though!  I&#8217;ve nominated you for the blog pack that CK is revamping.  The quality of stuff is great, all you need to do is keep up the posting consistency, which you&#8217;ve been doing wonderfully!</p>
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		<title>By: drew</title>
		<link>http://jumponcontact.com/2010/02/closure/comment-page-1/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! I really appreciate your kind words. I&#039;m a big fan of your work (both in game and on your blog), and I&#039;m glad you discovered my site. It&#039;s only been around for a month and a half, so it&#039;s really more surprising you found it at all. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! I really appreciate your kind words. I&#8217;m a big fan of your work (both in game and on your blog), and I&#8217;m glad you discovered my site. It&#8217;s only been around for a month and a half, so it&#8217;s really more surprising you found it at all. :D</p>
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		<title>By: asc</title>
		<link>http://jumponcontact.com/2010/02/closure/comment-page-1/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator>asc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 19:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not too familiar with MH or the situation in the west.  I believe the stations that Evoke has in Cloud Ring were taken months ago, and to my knowledge there hasn&#039;t been an effort to take them back though I don&#039;t know why not.  It seems like would want to use a break in the attacks on us to clear them out - the last thing we need in a real war is them and Cry Havoc being added to an actual military threat - but the people in charge probably know better than me.

Your point about victory being amorphous is entirely true.  I tend to consider &#039;winning&#039; to be holding our space because I&#039;m a player-sov 0.0 dweller; on the other hand, we did lose a titan (not to mention Geminate -- whether the eastern front should be considered a separate conflict is questionable).  For an alliance like Tri that doesn&#039;t actually hold space the famous &quot;moving goalposts&quot; of objectives  that people tend to give, in decreasing order depending on how well or poorly they did  -- holding the field, positive isk ratio, accomplishing strategic objectives, and having goodfights -- are all valid goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not too familiar with MH or the situation in the west.  I believe the stations that Evoke has in Cloud Ring were taken months ago, and to my knowledge there hasn&#8217;t been an effort to take them back though I don&#8217;t know why not.  It seems like would want to use a break in the attacks on us to clear them out &#8211; the last thing we need in a real war is them and Cry Havoc being added to an actual military threat &#8211; but the people in charge probably know better than me.</p>
<p>Your point about victory being amorphous is entirely true.  I tend to consider &#8216;winning&#8217; to be holding our space because I&#8217;m a player-sov 0.0 dweller; on the other hand, we did lose a titan (not to mention Geminate &#8212; whether the eastern front should be considered a separate conflict is questionable).  For an alliance like Tri that doesn&#8217;t actually hold space the famous &#8220;moving goalposts&#8221; of objectives  that people tend to give, in decreasing order depending on how well or poorly they did  &#8212; holding the field, positive isk ratio, accomplishing strategic objectives, and having goodfights &#8212; are all valid goals.</p>
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		<title>By: Mynxee</title>
		<link>http://jumponcontact.com/2010/02/closure/comment-page-1/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>Mynxee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I somehow just discovered your blog--although null sec politics often makes my eyes glaze over, you--like Wensley--have a knack for making it interesting from an individual pilot&#039;s perspective. So, I linked you on my blogroll and mentioned your blog in my most recent post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I somehow just discovered your blog&#8211;although null sec politics often makes my eyes glaze over, you&#8211;like Wensley&#8211;have a knack for making it interesting from an individual pilot&#8217;s perspective. So, I linked you on my blogroll and mentioned your blog in my most recent post.</p>
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		<title>By: drew</title>
		<link>http://jumponcontact.com/2010/02/closure/comment-page-1/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, definitely looks more like victory than not, but MH still lost a bunch of territory in PB, didn&#039;t they? It&#039;s not a TRI region now, either, but maybe wasn&#039;t 100% a success either? I think my larger point is that there isn&#039;t a dialog box that pops up and says &quot;YOU WIN&quot; - victory and defeat are kind of amorphous concepts, and are defined (differently) by the parties involved. It&#039;s always funny to read other alliance&#039;s smack talk / propaganda because from my lowly perspective, it&#039;s hard to tell the difference between what my people are saying and what they&#039;re saying.  

It does sound like we&#039;ll be doing more tower-tearing-down, but I also see a lot more standing fleets for ratting and mining than ever before. There&#039;s much less intensity to it than when we were in PB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, definitely looks more like victory than not, but MH still lost a bunch of territory in PB, didn&#8217;t they? It&#8217;s not a TRI region now, either, but maybe wasn&#8217;t 100% a success either? I think my larger point is that there isn&#8217;t a dialog box that pops up and says &#8220;YOU WIN&#8221; &#8211; victory and defeat are kind of amorphous concepts, and are defined (differently) by the parties involved. It&#8217;s always funny to read other alliance&#8217;s smack talk / propaganda because from my lowly perspective, it&#8217;s hard to tell the difference between what my people are saying and what they&#8217;re saying.  </p>
<p>It does sound like we&#8217;ll be doing more tower-tearing-down, but I also see a lot more standing fleets for ratting and mining than ever before. There&#8217;s much less intensity to it than when we were in PB.</p>
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		<title>By: asc</title>
		<link>http://jumponcontact.com/2010/02/closure/comment-page-1/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>asc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, our enemies ran back to empire and we retook all our assets so I would consider that a win.  It&#039;s a shame we didn&#039;t get to kill a bunch of enemy supercapitals or anything, but if they don&#039;t want to play there&#039;s not much we can do about it.

As a Razor member my understanding is that moving to Tribute was a redeployment in order to tear down enemy towers in Venal and Black Rise, rather than any sort of disengagement; I know I have spent a vast amount of time shooting towers in the weeks since we&#039;ve come here, though things have slowed down lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, our enemies ran back to empire and we retook all our assets so I would consider that a win.  It&#8217;s a shame we didn&#8217;t get to kill a bunch of enemy supercapitals or anything, but if they don&#8217;t want to play there&#8217;s not much we can do about it.</p>
<p>As a Razor member my understanding is that moving to Tribute was a redeployment in order to tear down enemy towers in Venal and Black Rise, rather than any sort of disengagement; I know I have spent a vast amount of time shooting towers in the weeks since we&#8217;ve come here, though things have slowed down lately.</p>
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