Comments on: Gathering Clouds

By: Wensley

Wensley — Sun, 04 Apr 2010 09:06:08 +0000

The cause for the war in the North is two-fold. First of all BoB/IT and the NC have a long-running history of conflict including the NC coming down to Delve and helping Goons take it once BoB was disbanded. They have also sheltered Goons since their own disbanding incident. This is reason enough for IT and its allies to want to come and burn the North.

The second reason is that the North’s BFF stance has forced the South’s hand. In order to defend ourselves against the sheer numbers of the NC we have to form our own coalitions resulting in a sea of blue in the south. Our leaders don’t want this and the aim of the invasion of the North is to crush the coalition and, in my alliance leader’s words, “take them back to the stone age”.

Of course, how this all unfolds will be a completely different matter. The NC is not a “scapegoat”, though. They are a long-standing political enemy of IT and a threat to the rest of the south that must either be broken up or eliminated.

By: Perseus Kallistratos

Perseus Kallistratos — Sun, 04 Apr 2010 01:16:14 +0000

First off… scapegoat? Read Kirth Kodachi’s post on Providence instructed to not shoot Goons in several battles. And the decision to attack HED-GP. Providence was not a scapegoat. By definition of the word scapegoat… I’m not sure how it applies to the NC. Secondly, losing a few caps in transit. Meh. IT is going a long ways, which requires travel fleets. NC do have spies, NC hot drops travel fleets. This is to be expected. Molle himself has lost several titans over time. No biggie. The problem is the NC doesn’t know what a protracted war is. They are all pumped right now, and the only people in theatre atm are IT. Check back in a month or two, when its really going on. In any historical conflict the attackers take more losses than the defenders (unless you’re invading France). This will fuel morales… and smack talk in local… for awhile. Smack that IT Alliance heard from SOT… PL… Goons. “Your killboard efficiency bla bla bla”. But remember this: it is not a 1 week conflict. As most people know, the conflict isn’t in Delve; the chance to help stop IT from taking Fountain/Delve came and went. The NC stood by and watched. They then gave the remnants of Goons space (even though Goonswarm had tactical plans to invade the NC). And as many NC smacktalkers in local like to say, remember Pr-. IT/former BoB does remember. Its another good reason, that so many people forget/never think about, to invade the NC. Sure, good fights are good fights, but they haven’t forgotten what happened when the NC came down to Delve after BoB disbanded. As for operational security his broadcast was on NC radio. Shouldn’t expect too many tactical details :)

Aggressive Tendencies

By: Chesh Morgan

Chesh Morgan — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:45:28 +0000

just saying you’re (they’re? not sure of your allegiance), not off to a good start, and losing caps to us before you’re even in our space can’t be great for morale.

By: Jon

Jon — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:28:54 +0000

As a complete outsider reading this, I can’t help but wonder if the goal is to actually CREATE a Southern Coalition. Whoever led the glorious campaign against the North would be in a fine position to make a grab for power in the new order.

By: drew

drew — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:18:45 +0000

It’s true that you don’t really need a reason to do anything particular, but Molle didn’t even say what you suggested. “Lets blow up some dudes and have a good fight” is totally legit, but never even came up. He’s totally silent on the question of why. I guess it’s implied?

And although no more than that is needed, wars in EVE are won and lost in the morale of the pilots. My instinct is that having a clearer reason to fight helps keep people motivated to show up. If it’s really just about the pew pew, I suspect it’ll be harder to motivate people to show up. An existential threat might turn out to be more motivating. At the same time, being part of the much-larger SC might be motivation enough. Time will tell.

By: asc

asc — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:44:52 +0000

Trying to keep information secret which is available to member-level people is pointless in this war; each side has spies in the other, to the point that when the enemy FC calls someone secondary, our FC will tell them to exit siege and warp out.

By: Calderus Rex

Calderus Rex — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 18:32:23 +0000

Ultimately the casus belli is pretty simple: ‘Hey, look, its some dudes. Lets shoot them.’ This is a video game, of which the most interesting parts are shooting other people. No more than that needed, although there’s plenty of history, blah, blah. Personally, I’m not involved, as I find uber-lag fights really tedious, but I love the drama.

@Chesh: Congrats m8! You guys have scored a glorious victory!! Destroying 12 IT caps has struck a wrecking blow to the IT war machine and driven the cold wind of fear into the hearts of her allies. I’ve heard rumors that the invasion has been called off after this stunning event. Atlas has deserted the cause and AAA has been ordered to stand down. Molle has left the game in shame over losing 12 carriers. Congratulations!

By: Chesh Morgan

Chesh Morgan — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 15:27:48 +0000

If IT keeps losing cap fleets in lowsec, we might not actually have a war to fight, though. Which would be pretty boring, tbh.

By: drew

drew — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 14:11:53 +0000

Yeah, it’s a bit tough for me writing this stuff and trying not to disclose confidential stuff, but these kinds of speeches are pretty much assumed to be public. This one was even streamed onto our TS server live. So I don’t think you need to hide that you’re going to be invading the north and basing out of X-7 via Torrinos. We all know that. :D

By: Xeross

Xeross — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 13:56:01 +0000

Didn’t know that that thing was publicly, now I don’t have to keep answering people with I don’t know what I am allowed to disclose so I’ll just keep my mouth shut.